That is a very useful link. thank you. the problem I am having now is that I have the base of each project done but when I went to do more, I found that it wasn't looking right, or didnt feel right. I need someone to check my work to make sure I am not cracken smoke. Maybe the patterns in the book are written wrong, or maybe I messed up on the base? Although someone once told me that you just have to trust the pattern. I might just have to do that and see where it goes. Thank you though for the link, it will help in other things I am doing.